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Post by coolgirl29510 on Dec 22, 2007 18:58:50 GMT -8
Well I haven't gone to see it and quite frankly I'm scared to... my church is highly discouraging it... has anyone seen it?? Is it really all that bad... I know the third book in the series of books the try to kill God  dumb right!! but yea... please let me know |
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Post by lindseyacron on Dec 22, 2007 19:20:45 GMT -8
I looked it up after there were tons of bulletins on myspace discouraging watching it or letting your kids watch it - it is about organized religion, but to keep from being a huge controversy, the movie has almost completely eliminated that aspect of it - so it is fit to let your kids watch it and frankly I'm looking forward to seeing it myself  |
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Post by dlfreak on Dec 23, 2007 11:11:46 GMT -8
As I undrestand it, the Golden Compass movie is as anti-religious as the Narnia movie is religious... which is hardly at all unless you dig deep and try to make the connections. But if you see the connections that's because you already know about them. That is, seeing this movie is not going to make you anti-religious just as seeing Narnia won't make you want to become a Christian.
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Post by fairy_tale_girl64 on Dec 23, 2007 16:54:49 GMT -8
well from what i understand of this book.it was indeed written by a very proud atheist and although i am a not and a very spiritually religious person....i am completely against this book and movie...not because i don't believe in anyones religious beliefs but because this person tries to sneak her beliefs into the mind of children. before i heard all the hype on this movie my sons had read it...and they say they didn't remember any non religious things being mentioned but..they say the first book is to draw in the listeners then the final book adam and eve destroy god...i feel if nothing else and i can't prove god exist but i do know just the belief in him existing has helped me face many a day to continue having hope and to me that is what my religion and religious belief does for me...and i want my kids to have this hope...i feel so many kids stuck in bad life situations it helps to have hope and believe in that high power watching over you and having a plan for you....and i do believe god exist and again its what helps me if for no other reason want to do good things for others....and our youth today needs that hope and belief..but this is solely my opinion
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Post by dlfreak on Dec 23, 2007 17:05:39 GMT -8
Before this thread gets sticky, lets remember that like Neopets, discussion of religion, polistics, etc is not allowed on the boards.
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Post by fairy_tale_girl64 on Dec 23, 2007 17:22:58 GMT -8
true but it is a battle of what to do and it was posted so we are gonna express our opinions on what we feel about the movie? mine wasn't to say to go or not to go but how i feel towards the movie itself....i don' hold any grudges on anyones beliefs...and although living in the bible belt feel that everyone has free will to choose their beliefs as they see fit and what fits into their lives....but i can only express my feelings towards this. i will watch this movie eventually but i will not put my money in to seeing it at the movies....i want to determine for myself what factors are what and what is actually being taught through viewing this movie...and i was also explaining the hype of why they say not to see this movie....and your right this isn't a topic that should be discussed according to neopets rule...everyone has to make choices in their lives on what they want to believe.....what they wish to see and form their own opinions on what they feel...this being said..its up to you coolgirl to watch it or not but the reasons i stated above are why your church is so against it.
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Post by devindemel on Dec 24, 2007 12:24:31 GMT -8
hmm i haven't heard this about the movie till now. A couple of my friends went and saw it and absolutely loved it. they actually went out and bought the books after they saw it, and they're christian so I don't think they made the whole athiest thing that noticable in the movie. But then again my sister went to go see it and she didn't like it at all because they left too much info out that you wouldn't know unless you've read the books. I think im gonna wait to rent this one.
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Post by coolgirl29510 on Dec 25, 2007 16:32:52 GMT -8
ok well I was wanting some input... I am a religous person- not trying to offend or break rules, but that's it, I am... so idk... I'll have to avoid it until I hear otherwise
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Post by fairy_tale_girl64 on Dec 25, 2007 22:50:07 GMT -8
well see it was the intentions of the writer to as any dealer or sorts...or anyone wanting to convert even the oh people that come to your door to convert you into their religion...to make things seem one way then eventually educate others into whatever they are changing you into..just let me come out and say it this way...the book supposedly is very mild..the first book..i think their is a ex nun as a character and was quoted saying something to the effect of her time being wasted by doing her work as a nun...so its the small morsels they let you digest and then once your into whatever be it religion, criminal activity, or some sort of cult..you really never really just overwhelm your newbies with "too much" knowledge til you've got them hooked so to speak. it was said that the final book is the one that they really tear into the religious sector. again i would watch it but i am also very very cemented on how i feel....no one nor nothing can change that, my children just like anyones children are not so set forth in yet what they choose to believe but my thinking is....if you put your children around ideas or in situations that you don't approve of..then your not setting forth the example you wish for your children to adapt into their lives.
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Post by BunnyRabt on Dec 31, 2007 21:59:17 GMT -8
I'm with you on this one, Lisa. I've gotten quite a bit of information on this from different sources. My Lia Sophia division sent out information about it, as did a couple of the churches I'm affiliated with. I do want to see the movie, but I won't go pay the exhorbitant theater prices to do it. I'll rent it.
My objection, if the things I've been warned about are true, is that it uses a "catchy" type movie, i.e. talking animals, special effects, etc., to snag the interest of children, and then it supposedly sneaks in these underlying themes. I have heard all kinds of things about the series of books...how they progressively get more and more disturbing and violent and that it will be difficult to even make sequels to the movie because the following books are so offensive. That may or may not be true, but I am not going to spend what little reading time I have on something like that.
From what I have heard, if I had young children living at home I would not take them to see the movie until I had either done further research, or rented it and previewed it first. But then I'm kinda strict that way.
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Post by fairy_tale_girl64 on Jan 1, 2008 20:08:42 GMT -8
well see thats my point...i mean harry potter was considered....iffy amoung some of the holy roller type churches because of the wizardry and magic....but these same people (cause a friend of mines mother was telling not to let her daughter see this movie because of that stuff) yet...they were all fine and dandy with the wizard of oz...and to me....well thats all fantasy and good creative fun...where as i agree with you bunny...if someone has to trick kids thats wrong...and that being the only way to get a new generation into falling into their beliefs... they must not truly believe themselves in it as a sellable commodity...and too what you said about the future books is also what i have read and heard. to me, thats too much like a charles manson move lol
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Post by dlfreak on Jan 1, 2008 22:04:17 GMT -8
I have some really religious friends that won't let their kids see Harry Potter either. IMO, that's just a weebit overboard, I mean it's not like seeing the movie will make them want to become witches and wizards and if it does... well then the kids will hit a huge roadblock whenever they try to get their broom fly or try to cast an Avada Cadavra spell. It's just good time movie fun just like the Wiazard of Oz, you're right. It's not going to change their world views and surely it's not going to start making them less religious. But that's just my take.
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Post by BunnyRabt on Jan 1, 2008 22:17:38 GMT -8
I don't think the Harry Potter series, or the Wizard of Oz have the same underlying darkness that I've been warned about with the Compass. But...until I actually see it myself I don't feel really informed enough to be 100% sure about it. All I know are the things I've been told, and these things have been coming from good reliable sources, not just gossippy articles and stuff like that. And I didn't read all this stuff or get any email warnings about any of the Harry Potter movies, and I have seen all of them and they don't have the dark side in them like this new movie is reported to have. They just seem like total fantasy movies...just good and evil, that sort of thing...not actual religious undertones. At least not to me.
So until I see this new movie firsthand I guess I won't know what my final opinion about it will be.
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Post by coolgirl29510 on Jan 2, 2008 18:47:02 GMT -8
I agree with you fairy and you too bunny.... I saw Harry Potter, in fact I read all seven books =PP I'm a dork that way, but JK Rowling went on record saying that the books were not about the wizardry, they were about testing your limits and being all you can and standing up for what is right... basically my idea is if you know it isn't real, then you know you can't be something like that... idk I'm pretty iffy... I think I'l get a friend to go see it and let me know what they think- oh and Narnia is religious when you look at the symbolism of Aslan's sacrifice... etc. etc. but i'm not going into detail as I'm already slightly breaking rules as it is...
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Post by fairy_tale_girl64 on Jan 3, 2008 2:50:43 GMT -8
oh yeah i agree bunny...the harry potters and wizard of oz were not in any fashion trying to sneak in under lying immoral values....i just thought it was stupid that my friends parents were so dead set on their grand child watching it...but now this other movie i agree and have heard the same as you...my personal belief is simple...if the product you have to offer people is a good solid product it sells itself...when you have to trick others to "buy" into what your offering then you obviously don't feel safe in what you have to offer someone...nor believe in it as strongly as they protest to...does this make sense?
yeah this is a very slim walking pole on the rule side but i do think its a subject worthy of discussion
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Post by coolgirl29510 on Jan 4, 2008 17:47:43 GMT -8
that makes a TON of sense....
like they say, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it wont make it a lady....
In my opinion- it SERIOUSLY applies...
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Post by krisconcepcion19 on Jan 5, 2008 14:59:08 GMT -8
I heard that in the later books children are tortured in the name of organized religion. Maybe I am wrong though, that just sounds disturbing.
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Post by devindemel on Jan 5, 2008 18:23:56 GMT -8
i thought it was lame when the church i went to told everyone not to let children read the Harry potter books or watch the movies, then a few months after that they were promoting the lion, the witch and the wardrobe. both movies have aspects of 'magic' in them, i just don't see the difference. and with the golden compass, just because the writer is atheist, doesn't mean that the writer is trying to convert the readers. i think everyone should be entitled to their own opinions. i myself haven't seen or read the books so i don't know exactly what happens in the third book, but i don't think the books were written for the soul purpose of trying to feed little kids atheist opinions.
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Post by coolgirl29510 on Jan 5, 2008 18:45:02 GMT -8
it has nothing to do with the "magic".... my youth pastor read the books and was constantly getting spirit checks on how wrong it is...
and you're right just because someone is atheist doesn't mean anything, but with they actually are trying to suck people into their belief it means something... like fairy said, if you think your belief is so great, why do you have to use petty tactics and big alluring images to suck people in...
PS- look at Bill Nye the Science Guy- he's an atheist, everyone loves him, he's GREAT... he just doesn't try to suck kids into his way of thinking...
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Post by dlfreak on Jan 5, 2008 20:52:53 GMT -8
Thanks everyone for the contributions, I like that we haven't dealt too heavily into the political/religious aspect so I thank you all for that! That is all  As you were. |
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