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Post by fairy_tale_girl64 on Dec 20, 2007 22:25:22 GMT -8
oh ok....let me get my thoughts together on how to switch things up so it will still not be obvious on who has who....and i'll get back to everyone
but to answer your question devin...on christmas eve or early that day you will set up a trade and send the person whom you bought for a message wishing them a merry christmas and reveal your that persons secret santa and if you have choosen to purchase a present for them to pick it up in your trades
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Post by captvatng1 on Dec 21, 2007 6:02:52 GMT -8
I'm wondering how you get around the Neopets rule that says you can't be required to buy something to get something.
For secret santa, 1) to participate you have to buy someone else gift(s), hopefully between 2000-5000NPs, and
2) in order to collect your gift(s) you have to give away something else in a trade to a second person.
I'm thinking that having our slcg_secret santa looks like the best way to deliver a gift or message without requiring anyone to buy anything, and still keeping the donor secret until s/he wants to reveal her/himself.
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Post by devindemel on Dec 21, 2007 11:26:13 GMT -8
thanks fairy for answering my question =)
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Post by fairy_tale_girl64 on Dec 21, 2007 12:50:34 GMT -8
I'm wondering how you get around the Neopets rule that says you can't be required to buy something to get something. For secret santa, 1) to participate you have to buy someone else gift(s), hopefully between 2000-5000NPs, and 2) in order to collect your gift(s) you have to give away something else in a trade to a second person. I'm thinking that having our slcg_secret santa looks like the best way to deliver a gift or message without requiring anyone to buy anything, and still keeping the donor secret until s/he wants to reveal her/himself. well dl said the only way to do that was to participate you only have to agree to send the person you have a merry christmas message but if you choose to buy that person a present you can....i suggested setting up a trade if you buy someone something seeings how dl did say it was against the rules to have others deliver the presents because i thought that would be a nice way to get the presents to people and then everyone reveal who they had on christmas day in a post and we could show off what we got from our santas if we got a present in that same post....so many rules and regulations its nutty...i can't say much on whats correct or not because i haven't investigated into it because i haven't ever had the desire to open a guild. but i would love to be able to have them delivered by a santa but i also want to make sure no one gets in trouble either |
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Post by krisconcepcion19 on Dec 21, 2007 18:35:31 GMT -8
I'm sorry, I 'm confused. How is this supposed to work? Do we send them the person the present? Set it up in a trade?
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Post by dlfreak on Dec 22, 2007 1:16:34 GMT -8
^You're not required to buy your person a present. If you decide to you are free to decide how you want to do that, I'd recommend trades but that's your perogative. 
I'm wondering how you get around the Neopets rule that says you can't be required to buy something to get something. For secret santa, 1) to participate you have to buy someone else gift(s), hopefully between 2000-5000NPs, and 2) in order to collect your gift(s) you have to give away something else in a trade to a second person. I'm thinking that having our slcg_secret santa looks like the best way to deliver a gift or message without requiring anyone to buy anything, and still keeping the donor secret until s/he wants to reveal her/himself.
We addressed that a while ago...
dlfreak.proboards32.com/index.cgi?board=generalguild&action=display&thread=1196055591&page=1#1196118048
And then made it official on Sunday:
geocities.com/silvercloudsguild/santa.html
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Post by captvatng1 on Dec 23, 2007 12:44:01 GMT -8
i suggested setting up a trade if you buy someone something seeings how dl did say it was against the rules to have others deliver the presents ... Requiring somebody give you something to complete a trade for a gift is against Neopets rules. Requiring somebody give you something to get a gift is against Neopets rules. Not allowing someone else to deliver your gift to keep it a secret is a Dlfreak rule. |
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Post by dlfreak on Dec 23, 2007 13:42:26 GMT -8
Requiring somebody give you something to complete a trade for a gift is against Neopets rules. Setting up a trade and offering it to somebody is not against the rules. The only way for someone to accept a trade is for that person to trade an actual item. It's up to that member to decide what item they want to trade, obviously the lower in value the better since it's a "free" trade. Requiring somebody give you something to get a gift is against Neopets rules. Correct. Not allowing someone else to deliver your gift to keep it a secret is a Dlfreak rule. Incorrect. I'm not entirely sure of the semantics but it is against the rules to do this, I'm sure. Just imagine trying to explain that to TNT, I'm sure there's some rule that that breaks. I can see the four paragraph explanation in the Neopian Times editorial in my mind's eye already, lol. Besides, our Guild Secret Santa has never been run in the traditional sense about not knowing where the present came from at all. It's alawys been run that way in the previous 6+ years that we've done it and works better, IMO because then you can thank your Secret Santa for the gift. Next year, to avoid confusion we are getting rid of the Secret Santa name all together and calling it our Ghost of Christmas Present. We were going to do that this year but because preparations for everything had gotten underway before we realized that the way we used to do it was against the rules, I figured it would be alright to just proceed with it without changing the name. If anybody is concerned about remaining anonymous this year, we could always log into an alternative account to give the gift. |
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Post by nftysqrt69 on Dec 23, 2007 14:46:34 GMT -8
I don't think it's a big deal if people just send there gift to the person. If you send it today, tomorrow, or Christmas Day it's still a big surprise when you log into your account and see the event icon.
It's already time to start gift giving, I think it's a little late to fight over logistics.
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Post by slcgsecretsanta on Dec 23, 2007 20:09:08 GMT -8
Merry Christmas, Nftysqrt69!  From, Your Secret Santa! |
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Post by captvatng1 on Dec 23, 2007 20:45:22 GMT -8
Requiring somebody give you something to complete a trade for a gift is against Neopets rules. Setting up a trade and offering it to somebody is not against the rules. The only way for someone to accept a trade is for that person to trade an actual item. I agree that setting up a trade and offering it to somebody isn't against the rules. Requiring them to offer you an item in trade in order to collect a "gift" is against the Neopets contests rules, which don't permit you to require someone to buy something to get something. "I'm sure" it's against the rules is not the same as "it is" against the rules. True. But a lot of the fun of Secret Santa in "real life" is the mystery -- until the end, when identities are revealed and you can thank your Santa. Without the secret, it's just a gift exchange. (And don't get me wrong, I love giving gifts.) Now I'm really confused. An anonymous Secret Santa is against the rules, but using an alternative account to remain anonymous is not? |
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Post by lindseyacron on Dec 23, 2007 21:59:45 GMT -8
I don't get it, Lisa sent me some items earlier from my secret santa but it wasn't all of the gifts and she's not my secret santa (that I know of) so I don't see how it's a problem - especially if contact is done in pm's on these boards
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Post by dlfreak on Dec 23, 2007 23:26:08 GMT -8
"I'm sure" it's against the rules is not the same as "it is" against the rules. Assuredly not but since we're not sure we're not taking the chance. True. But a lot of the fun of Secret Santa in "real life" is the mystery -- until the end, when identities are revealed and you can thank your Santa. Without the secret, it's just a gift exchange. (And don't get me wrong, I love giving gifts.) This completely confuses me. If it's fun not knowing who is giving the gift until you get it and it's revealed and then you can thank the person... then what exactly is the problem with the current set up of ours? You don't know who's giving you the gift until you actually get it. Sounds pretty non-issue to me. Now I'm really confused. An anonymous Secret Santa is against the rules, but using an alternative account to remain anonymous is not? I'm not even sure what you're saying. All I'm saying is if you're a secret Santa for somebody and you want to give them their gift from one of your side accounts so that it's anonymous and they don't know who it is, then you are well within your right to do that. It is not against the rules to buy something on your main account, give it to your side account, and then give it to someone else from your side account. That is completely within Neo rules. Is it stupid and redundant? Yes. But that's not an issue to raise with me, I didn't make it! That said, I don't see what the disadvantage is from giving your gift to your assigned person versus having a third party give it to them and then message them later that the prize was from you. It just doesn't make any sense to me to add that extra step when the person is going to find out who their secret santa is anyway. |
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Post by dlfreak on Dec 23, 2007 23:32:21 GMT -8
Setting up a trade and offering it to somebody is not against the rules. The only way for someone to accept a trade is for that person to trade an actual item. I agree that setting up a trade and offering it to somebody isn't against the rules. Requiring them to offer you an item in trade in order to collect a "gift" is against the Neopets contests rules, which don't permit you to require someone to buy something to get something. Oops, forgot to address this. It is not against the rules to make a trade for something and tell someone that they can bid whatever they want on it. It's up to that user if they want to trade anything for it and it's up to the giver to accept the trade so in both cases it's up to the user to take action on the transaction. |
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Post by lindseyacron on Dec 23, 2007 23:34:33 GMT -8
That said, I don't see what the disadvantage is from giving your gift to your assigned person versus having a third party give it to them and then message them later that the prize was from you. It just doesn't make any sense to me to add that extra step when the person is going to find out who their secret santa is anyway. Every time I've ever had a Secret Santa at work, we've gotten our gifts (actually they were placed under our tree at work and left there for about a week or so before christmas) then at the party we opened our presents. No one said who the secret santa was that had gotten our gifts until about a week later - but we made a game out of guessing who had bought for each of us I just thought it would be cool if we could do somewhat the same thing... everyone buys for their person and then sends the gifts all to a centralized account along with a neomail or pm on who is supposed to receive the gifts - the gifts are all passed out on a specific day and then everyone can play around guessing who they think it is that bought the items for them... then it's all revealed on christmas or around there abouts just as another fun thing to go with it I'm just curious what all the fuss is about? |
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Post by gaudianprincess on Dec 24, 2007 0:32:12 GMT -8
i suggested setting up a trade if you buy someone something seeings how dl did say it was against the rules to have others deliver the presents ... Requiring somebody give you something to complete a trade for a gift is against Neopets rules. Requiring somebody give you something to get a gift is against Neopets rules. Not allowing someone else to deliver your gift to keep it a secret is a Dlfreak rule. first of all, i wasnt going to sign in until i saw this thread. as the way i see it....a gift is a gift!!!! if someone wants to give someone a gift, it is their choice....how about sending a junk item to the person recieving the gift to use it for the trade of the gift from "secret santa?"....i understand NEOPET rules...as long as the person recieving the gift pays nothing or uses no items that they bought for the gift trade then what is the problem? ;D ;Di am done now ;D ;D have a great day!!! be well all |
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Post by tanzilynn on Dec 24, 2007 8:13:20 GMT -8
Merry Christmas, TNgirl924!!!  Kougra Lily From your Secret Santa! |
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Post by devindemel on Dec 24, 2007 10:22:33 GMT -8
Merry Christmas Krisconcepcion!!!!! I hope you like your gifts!
Rose in a Vase
Usul Day Petit Fours Sampler
From, your secret santa!
p.s. i set up a trade for you =)
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Post by dlfreak on Dec 24, 2007 10:59:35 GMT -8
That said, I don't see what the disadvantage is from giving your gift to your assigned person versus having a third party give it to them and then message them later that the prize was from you. It just doesn't make any sense to me to add that extra step when the person is going to find out who their secret santa is anyway. Every time I've ever had a Secret Santa at work, we've gotten our gifts (actually they were placed under our tree at work and left there for about a week or so before christmas) then at the party we opened our presents. No one said who the secret santa was that had gotten our gifts until about a week later - but we made a game out of guessing who had bought for each of us The few different places I worked at never did it that way. You always got your present from your Secret Santa. That's how I know it so that's how I do it. That said, I still don't see what the advantage is of adding that extra step that you don't do in real life of giving it to someone else to give to the appropriate person. We don't have the luxury of a real-life place to just set the gifts with name tags for the appropriate person to pick up. I just thought it would be cool if we could do somewhat the same thing... everyone buys for their person and then sends the gifts all to a centralized account along with a neomail or pm on who is supposed to receive the gifts - the gifts are all passed out on a specific day and then everyone can play around guessing who they think it is that bought the items for them... then it's all revealed on christmas or around there abouts just as another fun thing to go with it Yet again, I agree that this would be nice (even though I still don't see the point of adding the extra step, I wouldn't mind it) but I'm sure it breaks some type of rule and I don't want to risk anybody getting frozen, much less with a bunch of valuable items in the account. Aside from that, we've never run anything like that in the past. As much as I trust myself and as much as others trust others, we've just never runs things that way. It's just not a good idea to do it that way because it just leaves way too much room for things can get sticky. It's a potentially big headache that's easily avoided by simply not allowing it. Nip the problem in the bud, so to say. I'm just curious what all the fuss is about? I'm not entirely sure, all i said was we're not doing it that way. People are expressing their ideas and I'm responding to those ideas. No fuss on my end. I believe that's about all there is to be said on the logistics of if though, so lets please return to our regularly scheduled discussion. |
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Post by fullbloom720 on Dec 24, 2007 14:22:29 GMT -8
[glow=green,2,300] Merry Christmas, Fairytalegirl!!!
Bruce Icicle Spear
Starry Elephante Lamp
From,
Your Secret Santa!
Hope you like 'em.[/glow] |
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