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Post by lindseycron0 on Jul 13, 2005 1:46:55 GMT -8
i was just wondering if we could make it mandatory for all members to credit their sources when posting new info.... technically it is copyright infringement to post something taken from someone else's site (exclusions are like info you find on neopets or that you discover on the neoboards) but I've noticed a whole lot of "unreleased" information being posted that is not possible for these members to find w/out using just neopets and there's no credit to those sources listed.... this could get the boards shut down if we're not careful
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Post by dlfreak on Jul 13, 2005 14:37:44 GMT -8
It's not copyright infringment. You cannot copyright "finding something on Neopets servers." If you write an article, or a game guide and that is copied then yes it is copyright infringment. If a news piece is found and posted on a website, credit does not have to be given when sharing the information. Copying information directly from that site and posting IS copyright infringment. Hotlinking images is copyright infringement. Posting about a new find on Neopets is not copyright infrigement even if you claim to have found it on your own. Dishonest? Yes. Dishonorable? Yes. Copyright infringment? No.
Posting threads about new information is not copyright infringement. We are not a news source and do not claim to be one. We also do not claim to have found the information. There is absolutely nothing technically or legally wrong with posting found news without credit.
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Post by lindseycron0 on Jul 13, 2005 14:46:53 GMT -8
so there's absolutely nothing wrong when someone directly quotes information found from another site? ex: the other day when the faerie crossword was down, everything that nifty posted was EXACTLY the same as what was on Gilbert Vasquez's site... and I mean exactly to the t
and kristin has been posting stuff that hasn't been released on neopets yet and I posted some info that i found on here on my site and was contacted by another site owner even though I had credited the person that posted it on here and it was exactly the same as on their site, no changes whatsoever... how is that not wrong? i had to change everything because of this or I was going to have my site frozen for..... you guessed it, copyright infringement because i credited the wrong source since that source wasn't credited on here..... but i'm not going to worry about it anymore because i'm not taking any info from here again to save myself the hassle and if I've offended anyone at all, well, that's just life, I could have been taken to court because of these site's terms and conditions that were broken by these people and then unintentionally by me
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Post by dlfreak on Jul 13, 2005 14:48:38 GMT -8
I did not say it was not wrong, I said it was. I said it was not copyright infringment.
Also the way niftysqrt has the answers formated is NOT copyrightable. They are in numerical order with the ACROSS and DOWN in bold. How many ways can you put it? That is how I used to do it myself three years ago, I can then claim that Gilbert Vasquez copied MY original style. It's not copyright infringment.
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Post by lindseycron0 on Jul 13, 2005 14:50:29 GMT -8
oh, but when it is copied word for word exactly how another site has it, it IS copyright infringement, doesn't matter what the content is..... just ask my host, i've been messing with them all day long because of this
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Post by dlfreak on Jul 13, 2005 14:52:26 GMT -8
Yes I know that reread my posts!
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Post by fairy_tale_girl64 on Jul 13, 2005 15:22:35 GMT -8
you know what is so bad is that things so simple such as crossword puzzle answers can become a major deal. this is a game and heaven forbid anyone spread info to help one another without getting big headed about it. i could careless where i got the info from as long as i got it. 10 years from now i will not be able to tell you i got what info from nuttyaboutneopets or jellyneo. now in lindseys case i might remember cause i do know her personally. but these sites need to chill out. good grief..they sound like a bunch of 3 year old children who can't share a toy. not like if lindsey has it she expects it to be some hidden secret thing that only she knows. and even if she did and posted it on her site then she has let others know. its just crazy if you ask me. sorry your having these problems to deal with lindsey. i am not saying anything bad about any of those site owners but man they need to grow up!!!
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Post by dlfreak on Jul 13, 2005 16:03:23 GMT -8
I completely agree fairy_tale_girl64 it's ridiculous. Who cares who found it first?!
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Post by dlfreak on Jul 13, 2005 16:19:24 GMT -8
I completely agree fairy_tale_girl64 it's ridiculous. Who cares who found it first?! I hate to get so technical but if we want to talk about legalities here (I feel like Elle Woods in Legally Blond, lol) then I shall follow suit and try to clear the air... The doctrine of "fair use" which is given a statutory basis in section 107 of the 1976 Copyright Act clearly states that "...the fair use of a copyrighted work... for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright." Despite that in the case of citing information "found first" on Neopets it does not even fall into copyright law. According to Copyright law "Titles, names, short phrases, and slogans; familiar symbols or designs; mere variations of typographic ornamentation, lettering, or coloring; mere listings of ingredients or contents are not eligible for federal copyright protection. In addition, neither of the following fall under copyright protection: "Ideas, procedures, methods, systems, processes, concepts, principles, discoveries, or devices, as distinguished from a description, explanation, or illustration" And to further add to this not falling under copyright law protection, "works consisting entirely of information that is common property and containing no original authorship (for example: standard calendars, height and weight charts, tape measures and rulers, and lists or tables taken from public documents or other common sources)" You can learn more about the importance of protection of intellectual material and copyright law at www.copyright.gov/ where all of this information was taken from. |
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Post by fairy_tale_girl64 on Jul 13, 2005 16:22:15 GMT -8
but one thing lindsey...they must think your "toy" is too good or they wouldn't care about what you put in it!!!! its all about jealousy so don't let them knock you down! you have a great site and so tell them I said kiss your "petoot"!
and way to go elle woods!!!!
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Post by lindseycron0 on Jul 13, 2005 16:28:47 GMT -8
well, i wouldn't let them knock me down except now i have to put my site in maintenance mode until this is over with
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Post by fairy_tale_girl64 on Jul 13, 2005 16:30:50 GMT -8
you want me to beat them up for you lindsey?   |
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Post by fullbloom720 on Jul 13, 2005 16:39:53 GMT -8
Well you were a good Elle Woods, I would have to say.  Gosh, there's so much to copyrighting. It's like you have to be so careful so that you don't step on anyone's toes. Sorry to hear that you got caught in a tangle of credit and copyright infringement and whatnot and had to put your site on maintenace mode, Lindsey. I hope it gets cleared up soon.  |
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Post by lindseycron0 on Jul 13, 2005 17:03:15 GMT -8
site's back up for now
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Post by nftysqrt69 on Jul 13, 2005 17:12:36 GMT -8
I'm sorry Lindsey that your having such problems with your site. Like everyone has said already it's just ridiculous. In terms of the faerie crossword puzzle I try my hardest to find the answers myself. Dl had given me the link to gilberts site because I was asking him for help one day and couldnt find an answer. The only reason I copied everything word for word that day is because I needed to go somewhere and they had explained what was happening really well. I guess I should have gave them credit but I never thought it was going to be a big deal. Sorry if in anyway I did something that was against the law or got you into trouble.
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Post by dlfreak on Jul 13, 2005 17:21:06 GMT -8
No nfty what you did was not against the law.
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Post by lindseycron0 on Jul 13, 2005 18:46:54 GMT -8
you can keep right on thinking that dl, but that's not what legal says... and i think i'm going to trust them as they're the ones that can decide to prosecute me or not.... needless to say, i have learned a very very valuable lesson here, i wish i hadn't actually but either way i won't be making that mistake again
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Post by lindseycron0 on Jul 13, 2005 18:49:01 GMT -8
I'm sorry Lindsey that your having such problems with your site. Like everyone has said already it's just ridiculous. In terms of the faerie crossword puzzle I try my hardest to find the answers myself. Dl had given me the link to gilberts site because I was asking him for help one day and couldnt find an answer. The only reason I copied everything word for word that day is because I needed to go somewhere and they had explained what was happening really well. I guess I should have gave them credit but I never thought it was going to be a big deal. Sorry if in anyway I did something that was against the law or got you into trouble. it wasn't you, i was just using that as an example... and before i say anything else that is going to severely tick dl off or make me even madder than i already am, i'm going to ignore the rest of this topic, thank you everyone for your wishes but i'm not discussing it anymore... |
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Post by dlfreak on Jul 13, 2005 18:58:39 GMT -8
Well if you copy what cutie_kristin had exactly as it was I don't understand how you were guilty of copyright infrignement. It's clear on the Federal website for Copyright that what you did was not copyright infringement.
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Post by dlfreak on Jul 13, 2005 19:47:11 GMT -8
I get the feeling you are mad at me Lindsey and I know that what legal says is final but none the less I think they are wrong.
I do not have and will not pretend have any knoweldge as a lawyer but I just want to sum up everything that was done on your website and how it does NOT infringe on any copyrights according to the federal website about copyrights from the United States of America.
I had it all in that really long post before but I'm going to apply what I put to your situation.
1. "familiar symbols or designs; mere variations of typographic ornamentation, lettering, or coloring; mere listings of ingredients or contents are not eligible for federal copyright protection."
They are accusing you of copying the stuff from their website, the picture order and same font style. Clearly as shown in number one none of that is copyright infringment. "typographic ornamentation, lettering" (ie bold/underlined, centered) and "mere listings of... contents" cannot be copyrighted. All they did was list what they found.
2. According to the US Copyright website, you cannot copyright discoveries.
So the "I found it first and you didn't credit me," whether true or not does not fall under copyright infringment. From what I gather nothing that was done at Neopian Frenzy in regards to the Geraptiku Day, was in violation of US Copyright law.
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Gosh, there's so much to copyrighting. It's like you have to be so careful so that you don't step on anyone's toes.
